no, we're not talk being our federal government, of course. we're talking about warren county, ohio, somehow lawmakers there have managed to keep the county debt free while growing their population and guess what? they say it's easy. joining us now to explain, commissioner of warren county, mr. dave young. okay, dave, there are five guys, four guys, pelosi, boehner, reid and mcconnell, along with president obama, who might want to watch this segment. how did you do it in warren county, ohio? >> well, we try to keep it simple. me and two others don't think this government stuff is all that hard. hard is being out of a job and not being able to make your mortgage payment. hard is having a sick child. running a government and living within your means, not hard. so really the folks in washington should try to put aside some of their own petty concerns and say, let's be a statesman. let's step up and try to do what's right for the country. >> eric: how did you do it? did you raise taxes? looks like you have a projected $20 million reserve fund for